The journey from there to here

I am incensed at the left. While I am no closer to joining the GOP than I am the DNC, it is the left that has infuriated me by manipulating the poor for their support base while at the same time advocating for the extermination against many of the minorities disproportionately represented among the poor.

One such area is in the area of "population control". Almost every dedicated leftist is an advocate of "population control" because it sounds like compassion for the planet, when in fact, it is nothing more than a euphemism for eugenics, which most of us conclusively decided was wrong about 60 years ago.

You see, when you think about population control, you must think about HOW we would achieve it. Well, naturally, we'd need to slow the birth rate through abortion and/or sterilization. Because the latter is so overtly totalitarian, we often opt for the former. But we don't think of what this is doing.

To the advocate of population control, the obvious targets for abortion are those who are less able to fill workforce needs in society. This means anyone born with a birth defect who would questionably bring more cost than benefit. It is a moralistic stance that is governed by the bottom line, not by any moral reasoning. One example of this atrocity is the March of Dimes. In their campaigns, they claim their goal is to "reduce birth defects". And they do. By identifying birth defects in utero, correcting those they can correct and aborting those they can't.

But it goes further. Our inner cities, which are disproportionately represented by minorities, have more planned parenthood clinics than free health clinics. And despite their statements to the contrary, PP's MISSION is to abort unwanted babies. It's just not very good publicity to SAY so.

At the other end of the scale, we have euthanasia. We refer to it as "mercy killing", when that very phrase is questionable. Again, the very old are poor candidates to contribute to society, and an extensive program for population control would target them. And again, the targets would be disproportionately poor.

So, the next time you hear someone spek of "population control", hold your baby a little tighter. After all, if your child isn't of sound genetic stock, it could be their next target.


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on Dec 19, 2005
But I don't know why you feel a desperate need to bring Hitler into this.


Very simple...the mindset is the same. They are working towards the SAME ends.

You say the systematic elimination of the poor and downtrodden is acceptable so long as subtle means are used...frankly, while I respect you as one of the few HONEST members of the far left, it frightens me because you have no regard for human life.

By the way, the Boy Scouts were founded by Robert Baden-Powell, NOT Adolph Hitler, and there is a HUGE difference in the organizations.
on Dec 20, 2005
You say the systematic elimination of the poor and downtrodden is acceptable so long as subtle means are used...frankly, while I respect you as one of the few HONEST members of the far left, it frightens me because you have no regard for human life.


I don't believe in "systematic elimination" at all. According to my beliefs no baby has a soul til after it draws its first breath (I like the poetry of it above all). And nothing without a soul deserves any special status. I certainly don't support the systematic murder of innocent people. I have a great deal of regard for human life, and that lies behind my opposition to slavery, the death penalty, violent incarceration, psychological and physical torture, human trafficking and a host of other issues.

But in principle I am firmly in favour of the elimination of the poor and downtrodden through subtle means. I don't see why anyone has to live in poverty, and killing them all won't end poverty for very long; the only effective way to do it is to raise the poor up to the middle classes, and that requires certain middle class attitudes.

If they want to stop being poor and downtrodden they need to keep expenditure under control, and one of the best ways to do that is to limit the number of children they support. Family planning isn't some evil concept doing war with the poor and dispossessed. It simply tries to do away with the need for dozens of children by making sure those born make it to adulthood. And realistically speaking, there's no need to populate the world; it's already populated. So 2 or perhaps 3 kids are enough (I think 3 is the best number, because increasingly these days people are dying without offspring; this deficit needs to be offset a little by breeding families. It also helps to avoid social awkwardness in kids, but that's another theory for another time).

By the way, the Boy Scouts were founded by Robert Baden-Powell, NOT Adolph Hitler, and there is a HUGE difference in the organizations.


Yes, and both the Hitler Youth and the Boy Scouts were immensely racist during the 1930s/40s. What's your point?

...perhaps it has something to do with liquidating millions of the unwanted and pretending it is for their own good, and stuff like that, cacto. There's something not-so-vaguely Hitleresque about people who'd rather kill the innocent and make them a "problem" than have to actually deal with them as humans...


Well I think that's the sticking point here; you two view fetuses as human and I don't. I don't think they're a cancer or something of the nature, but personally I couldn't bear the thought that every miscarriage is vicious murder or at least manslaughter, and that's what it means if we consider fetuses human.

A woman who miscarries, according to any such belief, must be considered to have, through her own failures, caused the death of a human being. And that's manslaughter. You can't take human rights from a person just because they happen to be inside another human. And if you don't believe that miscarriage can be manslaughter, you have no right to claim abortion is murder.
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