The journey from there to here

When it comes to abortion, I support a woman's right to choose.

But I also support my own right to call at least 90% of abortions performed in America selfish, cruel, murderous acts (free speech 'n all that). And this is where I really get into it with "abortion rights" advocates.

You see, when you press MANY of them (NOT all, by a longshot), you will find that their agenda goes further than a right to choose. They support "abortion on demand"; a frightening term, to say the least. For while it is called "abortion on demand", it does not say "on demand BY WHOM. Planned Parenthood's own founder, Margaret Sanger, advocated for a "zero population growth" policy and mandatory government policies such as those in place in China that limit every family to one child. But she advocated going a step further and aborting the excess. And so, to her, "abortion on demand" meant "on demand by the government" (can you imagine the outcry by liberals if their own champion's policies were implemented and the projects "cleansed" by mandatory abortion for welfare mothers?). Critics dubbed Sanger a eugenist for many of her policies, but that's a charge I won't substantiate without further, solid proof (though it DOES bear investigation).

But I digress.

I see abortion as a moral wrong. I will always see it as such. Whether it is the "lesser of two evils" in certain cases, I cannot decide, but I have very low levels of respect for a woman who would regard the child growing inside her as a "lump of cells" and even (and yes, people have said this, on this very site, no less), a "cancer". And furthermore, I will not support legislation that appropriates tax dollars to abortion for that very reason.

If abortion rights advocates want abortions to be paid for, let THEM pay for it. Let them hold bake sales, telethons, what have you, to raise the funds to pay for abortion. With the exception of the March of Dimes and Planned Parenthood, very few private charities have been successful in convincing their donors to underwrite abortion. And they know this. And this is why they appeal to the federal government for financial support.

So, as the hearings for Supreme Court Chief Justice nominee John Roberts are underway, let us remember that Roe vs. Wade was NOT a mandate for federally funded abortions. It was, rather, a legal mandate for a woman's right to choose. And as such, I for one, support it, if not the many political movements that claim it as inspiration.

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on Sep 14, 2005
'I see abortion as a moral wrong. I will always see it as such. ... If abortion rights advocates want abortions to be paid for, let THEM pay for it. Let them hold bake sales, telethons, what have you, to raise the funds to pay for abortion.'
I feel the same way, but about a variety of other issues - having nuclear weapons springs most readily to mind. The advocates of nuclear defence would have to have a pretty big cake stall ...
on Sep 14, 2005
Ted, I love you man, but we aren't going to get this abstinence population you want. It hasn't happened in the entire history of humanity. We have the science now to let people avoid abstinence and be 99% sure they won't have to face the abortion question. That's important IMHO.


Misattribute understood.

In the 70s, if I had have told you that there would be a day when smoking would no longer be a legitimate excuse to take extra breaks at work, or that drunk drivers would become pariahs you would probably have used the above quote in response.

I am not for "abstinence only" sex education and yes, I think people (married or not) should use birth control if they don't want kids or STDs. We expect people to take responsibility for their actions in every other facet of life... why do we give everyone a pass when it comes to sex, STDs and pregnancy?
on Sep 14, 2005
'I've seen you advance some pretty stupid arguments before, but that one takes first prize.'
Ah, the insult ... one's best friend in the absence of a decent argument.
on Sep 14, 2005

As for insurance not covering birth control --

You might want to look into that again.  All the large, and most of the small insurance carriers *DO* cover birth control.  Almost all of them cover pills, IUD's and sterilization at the least.  You have to pay a co-pay (which is no different than other drugs), but they are covered.

There is no reason for unwanted pregnancies.  Birth control is available everywhere.  You can buy condoms as easily as bubble gum.  You can go to Planned Parenthood and get pills for dirt cheap and they give out condoms.  You don't need insurance or much money to get birth control.

The problem is that there is an easy out.  Just like divorces, they are simply too common for the typical person to be bothered by.

on Sep 14, 2005
Why would the goverment pay for an abortion? When my friend felt the need to do it, she had to pay for it.
on Sep 14, 2005
There is no reason for unwanted pregnancies. Birth control is available everywhere. You can buy condoms as easily as bubble gum. You can go to Planned Parenthood and get pills for dirt cheap and they give out condoms. You don't need insurance or much money to get birth control.


I agree. I'm with Blue Cross, and they don't cover anything for birth control, and they're a pretty big insurance company. But yes, I agree with you overall, there's no reason for unwanted pregnancies -- except one. Sex education in this country is a farce, and the religious types that promote abstinence only education (like that guy George who plays at being President) are putting a stigma on birth control that makes no sense.

Ah, the insult ... one's best friend in the absence of a decent argument.


Well, you can't expect much from her, I've noticed.
on Sep 14, 2005

I'm with Blue Cross, and they don't cover anything for birth control

Ah...you confuse "not covered" with "don't have the correct rider".  Blue Cross offers coverage, but you have to have the correct prescription rider.  (I handle the insurance coverages here, so I'm quite familiar with what BC covers).

Sex education needs to start being a scare tactic.  They need to start showing girls video of real births- the ones that last 18 hours or more.  Show them what it does to their bodies.  Then back them carry around a "baby" (they actually make dolls that record what you do with them) and force them to "care" for it for a couple weeks- like getting up in the middle of the night a few times to feed it. 

Of course, if parents would take responsibility for teaching their children, we wouldn't even have to talk about sex education in the schools.

on Sep 17, 2005

And I don't think abstinence is a joke, but abstinence-only education is.

Absolutely, Myrr. I need look no further than Texas' "abstinence only" education and the fact that I know more teen mothers here than in all of the other places I've lived COMBINED.

Para's right, though, we need to stop treating abstinence as a joke and start discussion including it as an option but not necessarily as the ONLY option. Abstinence only education works on a "pass/fail" mentality as regards teen sexuality; when the teenagers "fail", they're often left without appropriate avenues to discuss birth control choices or responsible ways to proceed.

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