The journey from there to here
The Psychology of Greed
Published on August 10, 2005 By Gideon MacLeish In Current Events

Not long ago, LW blogged about her neighbor, now moved on to warmer mooching pastures. LW had done everything she could to help this neighbor out (enough so, in fact, to have people accuse her of being "Christian" on enough occasions for her to blog about THAT). But what LW brought out in her experiences is the psychology of greed, the fact that no amount of giving is ever enough.

And it was followed up with another self deprecating "America Sucks" article that insisted that we as Americans need to impoverish ourselves to ease our guilt over the plight of the rest of the world; otherwise, any amount of planes driven into our skyscrapers is morally justified. Ironically enough, THAT blogger overlooks the fact that 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came NOT from an impoverished nation, but in fact, from one of the wealthiest nations in the world, where the CITIZENS of that country live in a virtual welfare state because of the insane amount of their oil royalties (as a sidenote; if you've got enough money to send clandestine terrorists to all points of the globe, to finance flight school, to purchase false passports and ID, you could probably do a lot to eliminate the human misery you claim to despise). The WTC attack was NOT a desperate lash out by starving nations, it was a hate filled ideological attack by Muslim extremists bent on dominating the world with their own radical interpretation of Islam (an interpretation, it must be said, not shared by most other Muslims).

But, at the risk of digressing too much, I will return to the topic at hand. The problem with an entitlement mentality is that it is always seeking more without asking how it can give something BACK. Don't believe me? Take a look at the lines outside the local food bank. Take a look at the lines again in another year. They'll be conprised chiefly of the same faces; all with a variety of excuses about how they are unable to find self sustaining, gainful employment.

You see, "enough" is never enough. Other nations will never become self sufficient if they always have a rich uncle from which they can beg another billion. And we will not become a stronger nation by giving it to them.

Suppose we gave away all this nation's wealth tomorrow, what then? If we put every American in poverty for the sake of the world, we would find the money soon squandered and a world worse off because, when the next tsunami hits, the other nations will find themselves without a well heeled economy on which they can rely.

What we must do, then, is not buy IN to the psychology of greed. There are enough articles written on how other nations are diverting funds meant  for the starving into the pockets of the well heeled for me to not need to rehash them here. Simple use of Google's search tools will net you the results you desire without my assistance.

Any foreign aid given to these countries should be privately funded, should be temporary, and should be contingent upon those nations adopting and implementing a long term strategy for self sufficiency. Anything less is not helping them; it's DESTROYING them.


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on Aug 11, 2005
Sighs...

Marcie, please take a moment and do something for me. I say this because I have grown to respect you over this past year, and some of the things you said in that article truly shocked me. Here's what I want you to do...

I want you to go back the article in question, go over your own responses, and count how many times you say..."I didn't say that," "I didn't mean that," "That's not what I was trying to say," "Thats not what I meant," and other similar attempts at clarification.

Then I want you to count how many times those declarations were followed by the word "but" or other transitional phrases used to launch into yet another explanation of what you *really meant.*

I said this over there but it bears repeating here. If large numbers of people misconstrue or misunderstand your meaning, the fault lies not with your readers, but with you for not expressing yourself clearly in the first place. Had you done so, you would have spared yourself the aggravation of repeatedly having to clarify that which you should have made clear before you posted the article.

I think you are confused on this issue, a lot of emotions are coming into play, and you really dont know what to think any more.

But the mere fact that you asked the question.."did we deserve 9/11" means that you have at least entertained the idea that we did. And that scares me. The fact that you compare apples to oranges, (poverty and terrorist acts) scares me.

The fact that people like Myrrander are circling like sharks, more than willing to confound the issue for you even more frightens me. (Like his blaming our invasion of Iraq on 9/11, when that is certainly not the case. We invaded Iraq because Saddam flipped us the bird for almost twelve years in regards to weapons inspections, combined with faulty intelligence that led many powers to believe he did indeed have something to hide.)

If you keep thrashing about in these muddy waters, soon you wont be able to see at all. And then you will join the Democrats, take up their America-hating banner, and follow the rest of the mindless, guilt-ridden sheep that would blame the deaths of thousands of Americans on 9/11 on anything but the real culprit. Evil Islamic Extremists who wont rest until they see every one of us dead or converted to Islam.

Ryan does have something to do with it, because his remarks continue to offend me every time I see them. I guess I'll have to train my eyes to just skip over his comments, because no matter what the topic, he seems to twist things around to bash the disabled, and I'm really, really, REALLY getting sick of it. His remarks to that effect over there were totally uncalled for, cruel, and unrealistic.

I'll leave it at that, and try not to take my frustration with him out on you in the future, it was wrong of me to do so and I hope you accept my apology.

But please, think about what you are saying before you hit "submit." Make sure it's *really* what you want to say. If nothing else, it will save you scads of time explaining and defending your position based on erroneous interpretations of what you've said.


Okay.
on Aug 11, 2005
But on my way to McDonalds...when I see that guy on the street who's really skinny and looks like he needs a break....couldn't I really just get him an extra sandwich or two so he can be happy and full for a night? I


You missed Little Whips blog where she said she stops and gives them money, even tho she is not rich. You are railing at the wrong people. Try Al Gore who gave $375 in charity in 1999. Or Kerry who gave less than 5% in 2003. Dont pick on those who are doing exactly what you are pushing for!
on Aug 11, 2005
#18 by little_whip
Thursday, August 11, 2005


That is a great soliloquy. And why you are one of the best writers.

Thank you. I hope to see more.
on Aug 11, 2005
#18 by little_whip
Thursday, August 11, 2005


That is a great soliloquy. And why you are one of the best writers.

Thank you. I hope to see more.
on Aug 12, 2005
How about other terrorists apart from those who commited 9/11? Were they rich Saudis?

Anyhow as a foreigner I wouldn't say America deserved 9/11. Far from it. But it is still wise to consider whether any of America's actions had contributed to the motives behind these terrorists acts. These people aren't driven by just one motivation, you know.

Also, I wonder how much America's contribution to aid per capita is?

To the religious, I personally feel we should give without asking back. You see there was once this guy called Jesus who did that. So whether or not giving to others would work as a stopgap to terrorism is beyond my consideration. Just give.
on Aug 12, 2005
Being a consultant I work in a lot of different locales. A couple of times I've had to work in the downtown area where I live. There are a fair number of people asking for handouts claiming to have fallen on hard times. I used to, occasionally, give these people a buck or two. Three incidents have caused me to stop this practise. One day after giving a guy a couple of bucks and walking on I stopped, not sure why, and turned around and watch this guy pull a big, and I mean big, roll of money out of his pocket and start counting it right there on the street. Second, a guy assualted my car as we were pulling away from the curb when my wife picked me up one day. Scared the crap out of me & my wife and almost got him killed because I thought we were being car jacked. All he wanted was a handout. The city these occurred in decided to do something about the problem. Thier solution...make all of these people register with the city. So now they all have id cards. Great. Just great.

On the other hand, I got a knock on the door one morning. There was a guy standing there who did really looked like he had fallen on hard times. He asked for 60 bucks so he could get a bus ticket to somewhere. No I don't remember where. In exchange he offered to wash all the windows on my house. First, and only, time I've ever had someone like this offer to do something in return for what they were asking. I didn't have 60 bucks, nor did I want him on my second floor. My house has a steep roof. I gave him twenty, all I had at the time, to wash the windows on the car. He did a very good job. Maybe I got took. But I hope the guy got to where it was he thought he needed to be.

I'm always willing to help those willing to help themselves. I won't give a plugged nickle to deadbeats. Ben Franklin, who believed in and established a large number of projects for the public good, cautioned very strongly against and about the dangers of welfare systems. Those writings are just as valid today as they were then.

JollyFE

on Aug 12, 2005

The point was...for most of us...what's an extra $5? What's an extra minute to help grandma cross the street? It's jack, that's what it is, just a little bit to help another human being.

Well, I am sorry to lose you as a reader, Marcie, but the mindset of "what's an extra $5?" doesn't wash. You see, there are literally BILLIONS lined up for an "extra" $5, and throwing money at the problem simply doesn't work.

Look at our nation's ANNUAL BUDGET. Not the DEBT, just the budget. $8566 for each and every citizen in this country. And this doesn't even factor in state, county, and municipal governments. How can you say we're not giving enough when our government's per capita spending (when state, county and municipal governments ARE factored in) exceeds the poverty level for those same citizens?

What will these dependent nations do if our debtor nations decide to call in their debts? I'll give you a hint: starvation and famine will increase exponentially.

on Aug 12, 2005

Some say love is giving people what they want. I believe it's giving them (or withholding from them) what they NEED for their long-term good, as you mention near the end of your post. If they squander it once, give them another chance and tell them it will NOT be repeated. If they squander it again, too bad.

Very insightful response.

on Aug 12, 2005

But on my way to McDonalds...when I see that guy on the street who's really skinny and looks like he needs a break....couldn't I really just get him an extra sandwich or two so he can be happy and full for a night?

See, Marcie, I don't disagree with THIS at all.

But if you said "Can't I just go and steal a few more bucks from Bill Gates' wallet to put this guy up in an apartment with free food and clothing?", then I'd have a problem. And, you see, that's really the argument behind entitlements....it's not about the money YOU spend, but about forcing others to spend their money on the same causes.

I can see how your article may have been intended to focus on PERSONAL responsibility, rather than GOVERNMENTAL responsibility, and if that was the intent, then I apologize. But if that WAS the intent, it was not very clearly conveyed in the piece. Just a thought.

Where I took issue with the piece was in the mere POSSIBILITY that we might have "deserved" 9/11. We didn't. Americans are, for the most part, EXTREMELY compassionate and rally quickly (perhaps TOO quickly) when an emotional appeal was made. If that were not so, why would there be a proliferation of "feed the children" infomercials by scam artist "charities" that spend over 50% of their "take" on administration?

 

on Aug 12, 2005

To the religious, I personally feel we should give without asking back. You see there was once this guy called Jesus who did that. So whether or not giving to others would work as a stopgap to terrorism is beyond my consideration. Just give.

Excellent response. If you were a registered user, you'd have just earned an "insightful".

on Aug 12, 2005
I tend to take the approach to life that I should expect the worst in everyone else, and demand the best from myself. That way I'm never disappointed at the weaknesses and failings of other people. At the same time, I make it a point to be giving of time, help, and kindness wherever possible with the hope that it will rub off on others so they can then have the same effect on even more people, and so on. And so long as I keep in mind that I'm expecting the worst of them, I can only be pleasantly surprised, should they actually follow through on my hopes.

A fairly cold approach to life, and probably won't that won't keep you happy, but it does temper the lows.
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