The journey from there to here

There's a push lately to remove all religious instruction from the public schools. Not only would it be a bad idea, it would require historical revisionism of monumental proportions.

For, you see, states are rightly required by their state education laws to teach state history. And in many states you cannot do that without discussing religion. A discussion of Utah history without the mention of Mormons is absolutely impossible; they were the ones who first settled the state! Likewise, most New England states originated under RELIGIOUS CHARTERS with their European sovereign states; vestiges of this heritage can be found in their state names (Pennsylvania, for instance), and in the names oftheir cities and counties.

But, going further, how do we begin to explore the civil rights movement without dissecting the teachings of a CHRISTIAN activist in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr? Or the Civil War without the contributions of the Quakers in operating the Unerground Railroad?

An entire era (the crusades) would go under the knife of political correctness, as would entire nations and empires through history (the Holy Roman Empire, anyone?). And it's not just Christianity that would feel the sting of excluding religion from history. Should we revisit the Salem Witch trials and the fact that even the legitimate practitioners of witchcraft in New England at the time should still have had rights? Or how about the Moorish influence in Spain that arguably precipitated the Crusades? The entire nation of Tibet would be gone in a flash of inoffensiveness, and many works of art would be lost to us entirely, as they were frequently inspired by, or commissioned by, the church.

If you truly feel that Christianity is an offensive evil, you won't fight it by suppressing it. You can only challenge it by allowing it on an open playing field, and dissecting its arguments, if you can.

Although I've still yet to find someone who can credibly meet THAT challenge. Which is why they focus instead on suppression.


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on Jun 06, 2005

attention drmiler. you seem to have overlooked one of the requirements. worldweeklynewsdotnet don't qualify except on those rare occasions when they spin their opinions so wildly they unintentionally manage to reach a full 180 degrees.

How about this one? Or is a local paper not credible enough?  It does require free registration, so for your sake, it is quoted below:

http://www3.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_3826676,00.html

Suit filed in Bible battle

Boy, parents say principal barred him from reading, discussing book at recess


A 10-year-old boy is taking his battle to study the Bible at recess to a federal courtroom.

Karns Elementary School fourth-grader Luke Whitson, through his parents, has filed a civil rights lawsuit in U.S. District Court against the Knox County Board of Education, School Superintendent Charles Lindsey and Karns Elementary Principal Cathy Summa.

Luke's parents, Samuel and Tina Whitson, contend Summa barred Luke from holding a Bible reading and discussion group at recess.

Knox County Deputy Law Director Marty McCampbell, who handles school-related litigation, declined comment on the lawsuit. Knox County Schools spokesman Russ Oaks likewise declined but referred to a press release issued last month in which the school system opined that recess was not "free time."

Both Lindsey and Summa were quoted in the release as saying that bringing a Bible to school and reading were allowed on school grounds. But, they said, any organized study group must be conducted "outside the classroom environment."

Summa has denied ever talking to Luke about reading the Bible or holding a recess study group.

Attorney Charles Pope, who is representing Luke along with attorneys from the Alliance Defense Fund, said Thursday the core issue is the school system's contention that recess is not free time.

"Our position is the Constitution says yes to Bible reading and discussion outside class time," he said. "The principal and other school officials have contended that recess is not free time. We disagree."

He said the Whitsons tried to negotiate with the school system and only filed the lawsuit as a last resort.

"We feel like we had no choice but to file suit," he said.

In the lawsuit, the Whitsons allege that Luke and a small group of his friends began reading and talking about the Bible at recess at some point during the school year. An exact date is not specified.

At some point, the lawsuit alleges, a parent complained to Summa.

Summa "abruptly interrupted certain fourth-grade students while they were in the midst of a Bible discussion during recess, demanded that they stop their activity at once, put their Bibles away and, from that point forward, cease from bringing their Bibles to school," the lawsuit alleges.

"Principal Summa then, in the presence of the children on the playground, escorted one of the participating students into a room by himself to warn him about the Bible activity," the lawsuit alleges.

That student is not identified in the lawsuit.

The Whitsons are asking a federal judge to issue an injunction that would stop school officials from "banning or threatening to ban religious expression in the form of Bible reading and discussion at Karns Elementary School during recess."

They also seek to have any policy banning Bible reading at recess deemed unconstitutional. Although the lawsuit asks the court to "grant" the Whitsons "an award of compensatory and/or nominal damages in an amount deemed appropriate by the court," no specific demand for money is made.

Also note, while you dont like world net daily, that does not mean they make up their news.  They report the news and put a right wing spin on it, but the source of the news is as good as any other media outlet.  You should learn the difference before inserting foot in mouth.

on Jun 06, 2005
Gideon, have you seen the movie, "Time Changer"? It really examines your question in a rather an interesting 'light', I am off site for about 6 weeks meditating, as my blogg doth explain, but shall return to discuss the specific passage. Take care and I hope you enjoy Os Guiness, I know I did, he is just so very awake on these issues. I have made contact with Dr Clay Jones, and hope to get him to send me some of his journals. See ya. .A.
on Jun 06, 2005

#29 by kingbee
Sunday, June 05, 2005





what's credible to you and the left is NOT the same as what's credible to me and the right. In other words you should stay out of the middle of a conversation unless you're specifically invited in.


in other words, youre the guy for whom they invented spin doctors. no wonder you have such difficulty dealing with fact.




Instead of being so quick to run your mouth check reply #31.
on Jun 07, 2005
the source of the news is as good as any other media outlet. You should learn the difference before inserting foot in mouth.


as is the source of the news reported by al-jazeera. before preaching to me about the sources of news, perhaps you might wanna meditate on the difference between news reporting and propaganda. the worldweeklynewsdotnet story was headlined 'Bible study banned on playgrounds' and took its key points from a press release issued by the 'public interest' law firm handling the case. the very same alliance defense fund that was spouting all that bullshit about a cupertino school 'banning' the declaration of independence'. there was no banning involved in either case. that headline is a deliberate lie.
on Jun 07, 2005
Instead of being so quick to run your mouth check reply #31.


yo mama. check reply #69.
on Jun 07, 2005

#35 by kingbee
Tuesday, June 07, 2005





Instead of being so quick to run your mouth check reply #31.


yo mama. check reply #69.


See you aren't any better than dabe on this. Something was asked for and I provided it. Then you started with it's wasn't a credible source. So another source was provided by another blogger. It did not support your position so you jumped my butt for telling you to go look! So, YO MAMA!
on Jun 09, 2005
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