The journey from there to here

A few years ago, we had an apartment across from a public housing project. Our downstairs neighbors were a mixed race couple, prone to heavy drug use and partying.

When they would throw a party, they would invite all of their friends from Milwaukee up. We were privvy to one such soiree. The friends arrived in beaten up vans, packed 15 to 20 to a van, and proceeded to dive into the fixings. While we hadn't invited them, we HAD prepared for them, and offered cold brews and a few choice meats for the grill. They were generally nice people, even if a little loud (we lived, fortunately, in an area where most of the other surrounding places were businesses and a church, and the housing project was set back far enough from the street that the noise either wasn't a problem or wasn't reported as such).

The fallout came at the end of the weekend. The police arrived, not because of noise, but because of several reported thefts in the area. A few of the guests took refuge in the cockroach filled basement, and a few others conveniently found themselves in need of errands to run shortly before the police to arrive. But the majority were there as the police grilled them about the thefts, which included removing every single screen from the windows of the first floor of the housing complex. No arrests were made, although the police did suggest to a couple of them that it might be productive for them to head home to Milwaukee before they got in trouble in Oshkosh.

As soon as the police left, the cries of racism began. The cops had singled them out, they said, because they were black. While I agree about the general racist nature of many in Oshkosh, I also know that sometimes a cigar is a cigar, and that in this case, the police went to the people who were reported by the victims as being suspects. They were reported because they were strangers in the neighborhood, not because of their race.

Not long after the police left, the loading began. Of window screens and several other items of suspicious origin. I climbed into my van, and saw that someone had attempted to move my stereo.

Of course, it COULD have been the kids down the street, but given the strong weight of circumstantial evidence, that didn't seem likely.

The truth is, EVERY race has its good people and its miscreants. To deny that is to show complete ignorance to an insane degree. But because of the trend of political correctness (brought about, I believe, by "white guilt" wanting to atone for the various atrocities that WERE committed in past cultures), it's unfashionable to point to the miscreants of some cultures and demand accountability.

Don't believe me? Look at how we treat those in minority cultures who DO ask people of their race to step up. Who's more respected in the projects, Walter Williams or Al Sharpton? Bill Cosby or Jesse Jackson? The answer to both of these is clear. Those who ARE demanding accountability are pariahs and accused of being traitors to their race.

The truth is, more minorities are in prison than whites not because of racism but because more minorities commit violent crimes in America than whites (more whites commit "white collar crimes", but because those crimes don't have as obvious victims, the sentences are usually shorter). That's not conjecture, it's statistical fact. Why this happens is not because of genetic predisposition, but cultural.

The inner city culture suffers from "spoiled child syndrome". We've all seen it. A three year old throws a tantrum in KMart, momma buys him a Snickers bar, and the tantrum goes away. But she's just ensured herself a tantrum every time she goes to the store from a child that has learned throwing tantrums pays.

The same is true of disadvantaged minorities. Many of them, sadly, have never known what it is to have a work ethic because they've lived under a nanny state for so long. And when the initial petty theft lands them with not a prison sentence, but counseling from some counselor trying desperately to play the part they saw Michelle Pfeiffer play in Dangerous Minds, they not only don't learn the lesson, but learn they live in a culture that wants to excuse their behaviour, however abhorrent.

The thugs in minority communities do not compose a majority of their culture. Not even close. But just as the spoiled children throwing tantrums in KMart are the ones we remember, the thugs are as well. And it's evident in popular culture as well. We remember "50 cent". We don't remember Luther Vandross. We remember Lil Kim. We don't remember Aretha Franklin.

Our culture needs to get past the idea that asking people to step up is racist. Asking people to step up is the proper request of ALL races, all the way from the white redneck's trailer with the red and white #8 in their trailer window and the pit bull in the yard to the inner city project with the rap music shaking th windows and the...umm, pit bull in the yard.


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on Sep 16, 2007
At least do an internet search before you make such assertions.


I made no assertions. I asked a question. You answered it, albeit in an amazingly rude and condescending manner!

If you are not academically qualified to be in college the opportunity can exist all day long us, but we will not be able to take advantage of it. A portion of those in the community that you refer to have acknowledged this about themselves, and know that enrolling in a college that does not have proper remedial programs is simply a waste of their time and energy.


Actually, it's time for YOU to do YOUR research, Kagemni. Most two year colleges offer EXTENSIVE remedial programs. This one certainly does.

You need to canvass that community and take a survey of their situations before you assert that culture of laziness and apathy is endemic.


Actually, I've studied extensively in MANY communities across the country, but my lack of an advanced academic degree leads you to dismiss my view as "myopic". Ironic, considering the nature of the discussion we are having.

Read carefully I did not distinguish. I meant all crime, be it white collar or violent crime. Whether they is punished equally is impertinent to the discussion.


But I DID distinguish, in the ORIGINAL TEXT of the article, and I ACKNOWLEDGED your point, which makes your challenge nothing more than a red herring.

"I just wish you had read the full article, though. You'd have seen paragraphs like this:"

Dude those two patronizing paragraphs do not make up for the fallacious mess you wrote before them.


Nothing fallacious. I asked who is more respected IN THE PROJECTS, Kagemni. Your PhD friends are often chastised for "acting white" in those projects, and you KNOW it. A mindset needs to change, and it isn't going to change by pandering to anyone.

I'm disgusted by victim mentality by anyone, be they white, black, Indian, Latino, Asian, whatever. People don't make change by being victims. They make change through self education, through being positive, proactive, and building. You've all but asserted that the topic is off limits to white people, exposing your own racist nature. You don't know me, you don't know where I grew up, you don't know where I've been.

I'm sorry you feel this discussion can only be waged by putting the other side down, Kagemni. It's a pity, really.

Others are working two and three Mc-jobs to pay bills and support their families, they cannot afford to quit even one job to go to school.


Actually, while that's true in many communities, it's actually not true here. The cost of living is fortunately, pretty low.

on Sep 16, 2007
btw,

I love how you pick and choose from my comments. If you'll note, in my original response, I found points of agreement and conceded them. You can't even do that much.

It speaks a lot to the character of the individual involved, IMO.
on Sep 16, 2007
Excuse me. There are many caucasians that are "African Americans" and many blacks that are not. Let's dump that stupid hyphenation. They/We are black.

Second, I have some black blood and 2 nephews that are black. By blood. So get off the victim mentality, and stop calling up phony straw men. You may be an expert, but hardly any more expert than Gideon. You commit the same crimes you accuse him of.

Were you enculturated or socialized as what we would consider African American in this society? That would be the point. You are on a whole other thing that is not relevant to the discussion. Where in my discourse do I exhibit a victim mentality? Which strawmen? Please explain? Let me make it clear. My philosophy and that of those in my circle is that you can harbor whatever racist views you want, just as long as you stay out of my way. If you do, brace yourself because you will not stop me. All of the African Americans I went to school with(an HBCU in the D.C.) shared this philosophy. You should visit the campus of any of the 103 Historically Black Colleges Universities and survey the students to see how many of them let "victimhood" get in the way of their goals and aspirations. I have been an African ( I don't need the hyphenation) for forty years in this society, so I guess Gideon "the expert" would have more insight on my particular situation than I would. Brilliant.
on Sep 16, 2007
You should visit the campus of any of the 103 Historically Black Colleges Universities and survey the students to see how many of them let "victimhood" get in the way of their goals and aspirations.


Why ARE there black colleges, Kagemni? Why hasn't integration forced them open? THAT is the sort of question you SHOULD be asking!

so I guess Gideon "the expert" would have more insight on my particular situation than I would.


Kagemni,

If anything, you PROVE my point. You are highly educated, intelligent, and, I would wager a fair sum, probably not working long hours at McJobs. Did anyone GIVE you that or did you earn it? Again, not knowing you, I'd bet there was noone there to hold your hand and make you take it.

The end paragraph WAS relevant, Kagemni. I have as much contempt for the redneck who hollers out about being out of a job by quota while sitting around consuming enough hard liquor to float a battleship as I do for many in the inner cities who holler about discrimination while committing the very acts that create the unfortunate stereotypes.

But you'll never see it. You will see me as a racist, no matter what I do. So I can't be bothered with people like you. I just have to do the best I can to make a difference.
on Sep 16, 2007
Were you enculturated or socialized as what we would consider African American in this society?


And that is an oxymoron.

All of the African Americans I went to school with(an HBCU in the D.C.) shared this philosophy. You should visit the campus of any of the 103 Historically Black Colleges Universities and survey the students to see how many of them let "victimhood" get in the way of their goals and aspirations.


And in that makes you an expert? Would it surprise you to know that I have the same experience, yet different results? Why are only your prejudices (and you are proving Gideon's point) the ones that preclude any other experiences? becuase they are yours? How narcistic!

I have been an African ( I don't need the hyphenation) for forty years in this society, so I guess Gideon "the expert" would have more insight on my particular situation than I would. Brilliant.


I have never been to Africa. So I am not qualified to make a statement on Blacks? Here's a clue. 99% of blacks here have never been to Africa! Along with 98% of other races. So we cannot make a statement on what the black experience in America is? You contradict yourself with every statement. And show your own victimhood. You ask where? How about in every pontification you make!

if you are African, let me ask you a question. Why did you emigrate to this country? to be a victim? Or for a better life? And do you really care what the color or nationality of your mugger is? Or that you have been mugged?

perhaps if you start viewing people as people, and not as a racist stereotype, you will see that those not choosing to play the victim are getting ahead. But I know, you have not met any of them. Or are one of them.

And for that, I am sorry. That your experience is so limited.

on Sep 16, 2007
If anything, you PROVE my point.


Deja Vu!
on Sep 16, 2007
"Actually, it's time for YOU to do YOUR research, Kagemni. Most two year colleges offer EXTENSIVE remedial programs. This one certainly does."

You did not indicate two year or four year college. Second, most of the remedial programs can't even begin to reach down to the level some of us are on. It is not economically feasible, and unfair to those who are stronger academically. to expend a disproportionate amount of the budget to accomplish such.

Calm down I am not trying to insult you. I am just trying to point things out that you are glossing over.

You are right you do not need college degree, let alone a graduate degree, to make an astute observation. But when you make a comprehensive statement regarding the African American community, you need to back your hypothesis with research and adequate references. Thats all.

"I love how you pick and choose from my comments. If you'll note, in my original response, I found points of agreement and conceded them. You can't even do that much. It speaks a lot to the character of the individual involved, IMO."

Clearly you can see that you are picking and choosing as well. Does this speak to your character?
It is my prerogative as a commenter to pick the aspects of the piece that intrigue me. Is it not yours? I have granted you that. Please grant me the same.
on Sep 16, 2007
"neither does your condescending attitude. You have your set prejudices and nothing is going to change your mind. You cant even get Walter E Williams name right."

Do you even know who Juan Williams is? Research his latest title on Amazon, I am sure you will enjoy it. He piggybacks on Bill Cosby. I am fully aware of Walter E. Wiliams.
on Sep 16, 2007

Do you even know who Juan Williams is?

Yes, but then he is not Walter E Williams is he?  And I would not confuse the 2 as you did.

on Sep 16, 2007
To Dr. Guy and Gideon the demographics of crime change with geography. If you were WV, Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Tenn., Maine , Arkansas (outside of Little Rock) it is good chance the perpetrator would be of what ethnic group? Or the person running the meth lab? Being of sound mind, I would not attempt to lump your whole ethnic group into a category with these recidivists. Nor would I come up with recommendations posed to your whole ethnic group based on them.

Dr. Guy stop inventing things that I did not write. Where in my discourse did I call any of you racist. As my comments will bear out, I only have problems with your positions, not your ethnic group as a whole. Victimhood- I think the pot is calling the kettle black.
on Sep 16, 2007
You did not indicate two year or four year college. Second, most of the remedial programs can't even begin to reach down to the level some of us are on. It is not economically feasible, and unfair to those who are stronger academically. to expend a disproportionate amount of the budget to accomplish such.


You're right, I didn't. My bad.

So that you know, I do find these discussions productive. This paragraph is a good reason why. Because you inadvertently pointed out a deficiency we would do well to address. While the B&G club and the computer giveaways could help a lot of the kids coming up, we do need to put more focus on adult literacy programs to help the adults who've passed the age of the targets of the program. The school here, for instance, offerd GED testing, but I am unaware of any GED classes in the area. I'll have to look into that.

It is my prerogative as commenter to pick the aspects of the piece that intrigue me. Is it not yours? I have granted you that. Please grant me the same.


My point is, you can get a lot farther by acknowledging points of commonality. We should not be complete adversaries here, Kagemni; it appears we have the same goals but different approaches. Yes, I'll grant you that prerogative, certainly. I just feel there's a benefit in acknowledging those areas where we agree.

on Sep 16, 2007
To Dr. Guy and Gideon the demographics of crime change with geography.


Agreed.

Being of sound mind, I would not attempt to lump your whole ethnic group into a category with these recidivists


When it is endemic to a subculture of that race, it is fair to point that out.

For instance, in certain small communities in the TX Panhandle, racism is extremely common among the largely uneducated, poor communities. Does that make all whites in the Panhandle racist? Not by a long shot. But it is a big enough subculture to bear mentioning.
on Sep 16, 2007
Dr. Guy stop the word play with oxymoron crap. You know exactly what I meant. I meant what I wrote "Juan Williams" - Don't try to get in my head- I am too complex for you.

How is 99% of us never going to Africa relevant to the topic of the sociology of Africans in America?
on Sep 16, 2007
"Why are there Black Colleges"

You need to ask yourself that question. Your community had a lot more to do with their genesis than we did.
on Sep 16, 2007

Where in my discourse did I call any of you racist.

Where did I call you one?  I only indicated that you were using them, not that you are one.

Victimhood- I think the pot is calling the kettle black.

Really?  Please show me how I am being a victim.

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