More Crap From the "Party of the Poor"

Published on January 30, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

I like compact flourescent light bulbs. I really do.

In fact, you will not find traditional incandescent bulbs in our house for that reason. And our nominal electric bill (average bill between 30-50 bucks a month) reflects that and other energy saving options that we implement around our house.

But I'm going to readily acknowledge that good flourescent light bulbs do not come cheap. The cheapest ones aren't worth buying, frankly, and you have to go somewhere in the $2-3 a bulb range to find a bulb that will actually last. Honestly, it's worth it in the long run.

But given the average 3 bedroom home, and the almost inevitable minimum of 10 lightbulbs throughout the home, and you can see where converting to all flourescent might not be an affordable option for some, in light of the fact that incandescent bulbs are about 1/10 the price. In other words, for the cost of one flourescent bulb, you can light the entire house with incandescents (of course, you pay more in the long run, but honestly, that's not something the poorer members of the community see, especially since utilities are covered by welfare programs, light bulbs are not).

And so, armed with this knowledge, it seems ludicrous that California would be seriously considering implementing a ban on incandescent light bulbs. And yet they are. If the loonies in the legislature have their way, Californians will no longer be allowed to purchase incandescent bulbs. And as usual, the poorest will be the hardest hit by their insane laws, because the cost of outfitting the aforementioned 3 bedroom home with compact flourescent bulbs would be half a day's wages for a minimum wage employee, not the kind of outlay one expects to put into light bulbs.

The proposal to ban incandescent bulbs is yet another symptom of a government run amuck, a government that has lost touch with the people it was elected to represent. If you want to cut electric usage, increase rates. Make electricity pricey, and families will do more to conserve, and consumption will drop. But to even consider banning consumer choices, especially in ways that could very well hurt the poor financially, is contemptible and disgusting.

Comments (Page 5)

drmiler

on Feb 08, 2007

Actually he has had nopthing to do with the internet at all, except use it. And I repeat once again go read your own reply #53.

i did, and you are dead wrong...keep diggin miler!

I have and I think you should go rea this and realize one thing. The USA was NOT one of the founding nations of CERN!

Link

Dr Guy

on Feb 09, 2007

i did, and you are dead wrong...keep diggin miler!

From Dictionary.com:

cre·ate /kriˈeɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kree-eyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -at·ed, -at·ing, adjective
–verb (used with object) 1. to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.
2. to evolve from one's own thought or imagination, as a work of art or an invention.

Note the bolded word.

Game set and match to Doc. You lose (again - seems to be a habit for you) Sean.

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Feb 09, 2007

wrong guy...his initiatives were key in the creation of the internet, it's development and it's acceptance. i stand by my words, and al's. feel free to play cocktail party lawyer all ya want, and nitpick it to death...it doesn't matter. the fact is what al said was true. thus, right wing radicals like yourself had to actually change the quote and claimed he said "invent." this argument was over in al's favor the second the right wing radicals felt it necessary to distort and change his words and diliberately misquote him.

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Feb 09, 2007

in·i·tia·tive (ĭ-nĭsh'ə-tĭv)
n.
The power or ability to begin or to follow through energetically with a plan or task; enterprise and determination.
A beginning or introductory step; an opening move: took the initiative in trying to solve the problem.

The power or right to introduce a new legislative measure.

of course if you only isolate "create" you can skew and spin...but the KEYword is "initiative." which, as you see above, is exactly what al did.

he took the "initiative" (the orig. piece of legisation that allowed for it's development) in creating the internet.

Dr Guy

on Feb 09, 2007

wrong guy...his initiatives were key in the creation of the internet,

Wrong again. The INternet was created back in 69. Gore was still protesting the war back then. Not the Iraq one either. Whrrrrrrrrrrrrrr as sean spins away.

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Feb 09, 2007

The INternet was created back in 69.

no it wasn't. people began developing networks in the 60's (actually before 69) but they were diliberately done in different languages and not compatable with each other. the main use was intelligence, and what was the point if just anyone could access it was their point

the 1st time we had any kind of "global network" was via Cerf and Kahn in 83. but the 1st actual 'web server" came in 91.

drmiler

on Feb 09, 2007

no it wasn't. people began developing networks in the 60's (actually before 69) but they were deliberately done in different languages and not compatible with each other. the main use was intelligence, and what was the point if just anyone could access it was their point

WRONG yet again? Ever heard of DARPA (which began in "1959")? That was the beginning of the INTERNET and the computers ALL spoke the SAME language. You should do a little more reading "before" you challenge a national IT manager. From Wikipedia:

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is an agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of new technology for use by the military. DARPA was responsible for funding development of many technologies which have had a major impact on the world, including computer networking (starting with the ARPANET, which eventually grew into the Internet), as well as NLS, which was both the first hypertext system, and an important precursor to the contemporary ubiquitous graphical user interface.
In the area of information processing, DARPA made great strides, initially through its support of the development of time-sharing (all modern operating systems are descendants of the Multics system, developed by a cooperation between Bell Labs, General Electric and MIT, which DARPA supported by funding Project MAC at MIT with an initial two-million-dollar grant), and later through the evolution of the ARPANET (a telecommunications network and precursor to the Internet), and research in the artificial intelligence (AI) fields of speech recognition and signal processing. DARPA also funded the development of the Douglas Engelbart's NLS computer system and the Aspen Movie Map, which was probably the first hypermedia system and an important precursor of virtual reality.

The controversial Mansfield Amendment of 1973 expressly limited appropriations for defense research (through ARPA/DARPA) to projects with direct military application. Some contend that the amendment devastated American science, since ARPA/DARPA was a major funding source for basic science projects at the time; the National Science Foundation never took up the slack as expected. But the resulting brain drain is also credited with boosting the development of the fledgling personal computer industry. Many young computer scientists fled from the universities to startups and private research labs like Xerox PARC.

Link

Go read and learn grasshopper. We can go round in circles on this all you want but you'd "still" be wrong! This is one of the first things you "learn" for a basic MCSE cert. Which BTW... I do hold certs from Microsoft on "IT Professional & Desktop Technician (which is actually a MCDST)" along with a MCSA. And I've been doing this professionally for about 21 years now. So set and match to me, "you" lose.

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Feb 09, 2007

From the 1960s the US government, in partnership with some key universities, began exploring the potential of networking computers. There were half a dozen of these networks by the late 70s, all talking to different users and often in deliberately different languages. After all, what was the value in making something like Arpanet - designed to protect Western intelligence against a Soviet nuclear strike - available to the wider world?

keep diggin! what i said was entirely true..you just keep feelin that need "to get me" on something...anything! grow up boy.

but i guess you'd rather continue the hijack of this fine article with arguing nonsense. WWW Link

You should do a little more reading "before" you challenge a national IT manager.

the dilbert principle comes to mind. and by the way, while you are getting everyone drinks, i'd love a grasshopper!

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Feb 09, 2007

oh and by the way,,,guess ya didn't wanna include this lil tidbit on your "source"...

at the top of the article>>>>This article or section does not cite its references or sources.

Dr Guy

on Feb 09, 2007

the 1st time we had any kind of "global network" was via Cerf and Kahn in 83. but the 1st actual 'web server" came in 91.

Wrong again. The internet started out as a one country affair. But it was still the internet. And the internet did not rely on web servers in its infancy. They did come later, but did nto make it the Internet.

You love being wrong, dont you.

Gore lied, and you bought his lie. Congratulations. You are now officially a member of the mind numbed gorebots.

drmiler

on Feb 09, 2007

oh and by the way,,,gues ya didn't wanna include this lil tidbit on your "source"...

at the top of the article>>>>This article or section does not cite its references or sources.

Go back and try again fool!

From the 1960s the US government, in partnership with some key universities, began exploring the potential of networking computers. There were half a dozen of these networks by the late 70s, all talking to different users and often in deliberately different languages. After all, what was the value in making something like Arpanet - designed to protect Western intelligence against a Soviet nuclear strike - available to the wider world?

Wrong here too. By 1973 DARPA had them all talking. None of which Gore had "anything" to do with. Also from wikipedia:

The Internet protocol suite came from work done by DARPA in the early 1970s
The Internet protocol suite is the set of communications protocols that implements the protocol stack on which the Internet and many commercial networks run. It is part of the TCP/IP protocol suite, which is named after the two most important protocols in it: the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) and the Internet Protocol (IP), which were also the first two networking protocols defined. A review of TCP/IP is given under that heading. Note that todays TCP/IP networking represents a synthesis of two developments that began in the 1970's, namely LAN's (Local Area Networks) and the Internet, that revolutionalised computing.

You want links? here:

Link TCPIP internet protocol

Link DARPA

Match point.

drmiler

on Feb 09, 2007

SConn1, you can talk "all" the bs you want but you're still wrong and everyone here knows it.

While you're at it....go look up the meanings of the MCS's I quoted you and thenm start by reading " The Complete Internet Reference by Osbourne" OR "The Internet for Dummies" book. Then come back and we'll have a "rational" discussion.

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Feb 09, 2007

Match point.

hardly, lmfao! you still have yet to even dispute anything i said.

Ever heard of DARPA (which began in "1959")? That was the beginning of the INTERNET and the computers ALL spoke the SAME language.

Wrong here too. By 1973 DARPA had them all talking

kind of a contradiction isn't it? how could they have "had them all talking by 73" if they already were in 59 as you claimed? pklus, your quote (which does not cite it's references or sources) doesn't even say 1973...NONSENSE!

and neither dispute what i said about ARPANET. which was entirely true

drmiler

on Feb 09, 2007

Match point.

hardly, lmfao! you still have yet to even dispute anything i said.

Ever heard of DARPA (which began in "1959")? That was the beginning of the INTERNET and the computers ALL spoke the SAME language.

Wrong here too. By 1973 DARPA had them all talking

kind of a contradiction isn't it? how could they have "had them all talking by 73" if they already were in 59 as you claimed? pklus, your quote (which does not cite it's references or sources) doesn't even say 1973...NONSENSE!

and neither dispute what i said about ARPANET. which was entirely true

You haven't said "one true" thing since we started on this subject.

Wrong here too. By 1973 DARPA had them all talking. None of which Gore had "anything" to do with. Also from wikipedia:

I also note you skipped this entirely!

And just for your edification...ARPANET is a derivative of DARPA!

drmiler

on Feb 09, 2007

You know something? You may not be the col, but you are beginning to act just like him. Put factual information in front of you, and you either ignore it completely or blow it off entirely or you tell the poster he doesn't know what he's talking about.

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