The journey from there to here
Published on June 13, 2006 By Gideon MacLeish In Religion

While I am far from an ecumenical as a Christian, there is a reason I don't judge differing views too harshly. It stems from my childhood.

I was raised early in my life in the LDS church. As most LDS youth my age did, I aspired to go on a mission, and to serve the church when I grew older. Even as I went to other churches, I still pretty much considered myself Mormon up until the age of about seventeen.

I was about seventeen when I moved to yet another of the many foster homes I had lived in, this one being a very conservative religious family. When we were discussing church as we were getting to know one another, I explained that I was Mormon. My foster mother's response shocked me:

"Well, I hope you know, that's a CULT".

All my life I had known Mormons. There were no strange practices in our Sunday church services. These people were loving, caring individuals who tried to live out their faith to the best of their abilities. There was no "mind control" or stringent set of rules for adherents to the faith (while they DO have the "Word of Wisdom" among their sacred books, it is important to note that, while the admonitions within it contain advice for holy living, they are by no means requirements for practicing Mormons). When I thought of a cult, I thought (as I still think) of a religious sect that exercises strict control over every aspect of its members' lives. The LDS church simply did not fit that bill.

Ironically, in attempting to evangelize me, these well meaning Christians had put up a wall between me and God. All my life I had lived hoping that what I was doing in my attempt to sincerely worship God was "good enough"; now, not only were these people telling me it wasn't, they were, in fact, telling me that my very belonging to the LDS church was evil.

It would be another six months or so before I would come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. But it was six months during which painful lessons were learned, and I can't help but wonder what hard lessons might have been avoided had these people acted in Christian love instead of judging me based on their preconceived notions at the time. I still know many Mormon individuals, and I know that each and every one of them is doing their level best to serve God to the best of their ability. And while there are areas of their doctrine with which I disagree pretty vehemently, it's fair to say that 99% of people in the Mormon church, just as 99% of the people in any other church, are not really heavily steeped in the finer points of LDS doctrine. They are simply trying to do the best they can, to their own understanding, to serve God. And somehow, I believe God will honor that.

So, when I discuss doctrinal disagreements with someone, I'm usually fairly careful to avoid the word "cult" unless it clearly applies. It is a hurtful word, a divisive word, and, in fact, it burns bridges when we as Christians (especially those of us who consider ourselves evangelists) should be BUILDING them.


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on Jun 13, 2006
I can understand the cult connotation.  For a long time, until I self educated myself on what exactly Mormons and the LDS were all about, I believed it to be like Jehovah's Witnesses - a cult.  It is sorry that for all the good they do, that one area they still lag in is in awareness by non-LDS members.
on Jun 13, 2006
Gid I used to throw the word cult around in my early days as a Christian. Heck everyone who wasn't home fried Baptist..... from Catholics to Mormons to WHATEVER were in a cult...

Sad I know...but I believed their religion was exerting ultimate control over them by not allowing them to have a personal relationship with Christ...by purposely keeping the truth from them.....so they were labeled.

What God subsequently showed me was....I am not perfect...oh sorry this article isn't about that...hehe.

He showed me there are true believers in every faith. I met Catholics, Mormons, Methodists, lots of diff denominations that truly loved God and were seeking His face.

I still cringe when I think about the people I said things like "You're in a cult." too.....~shivers~

It is def a learning curve Gid...and you should maybe remember that when thinking about your foster parents. They obviously meant well, they took you into their home, and they took you to church. I don't think it came from spite.
on Jun 13, 2006
They obviously meant well, they took you into their home, and they took you to church. I don't think it came from spite.


It's actually one of my HUGE beefs with the foster care system in America. If someone comes to a foster home (when they're actually adopted out, it's a different story), the foster parents should be obligated to respect the beliefs, values, and cultures of those children, even when they differ from their own. If they ASK them to go to their church, it is one thing, but if they create negative labels for the belief system of the child, I believe it is harmful.

I hate to say it, Tova, but the "cult" label is NOT a label based on love of any sort. Are we really teaching people to be Christlike by teaching them to liberally apply these labels? (By the way, I forgot to mention the one notable exception to my use of the word "cult"...but that's in a context where I feel it is appropriate).

I do have issues with those foster parents, but for entirely different reasons, which I won't get into here. I know they were attempting to be loving Christians, but I can tell you for a fact, their comments weren't at all loving. Sure, it's a learning curve, Tova, but if noone's around to teach folks any different, then some of 'em will never learn.
on Jun 13, 2006
Sure, it's a learning curve, Tova, but if noone's around to teach folks any different, then some of 'em will never learn.


Touché

"cult" label is NOT a label based on love of any sort


Oh I know that...another lesson God made sure to bring home to me...it's usually used in PRIDE. That wonderful emotion that makes normally decent people become hateful self loving mini gods.

Yup, familiar with it...yup yup.
on Jun 13, 2006
We could call Christianity a cult since a cult is really about a group of people following a leader or set of beliefs. So now to define you would have to say either Christian Cult or non Christian cult. It's really how you say it that cuts to the heart. But it is interesting you do remember this......maybe it was a jolt you needed to hear? God uses all for his glory remember.

I believe I was involved in non Christian cults along the way. I also believe that many what we would call good moral people are being deceived in these groups. I believe that Jesus calls us out. I believe I was called out. I believe he gave us his revealed word to do so. Paul (who was called out) begged and begged us not to be decieved, not to slumber,to stay alert, not to listen to any other gospel but Christ crucified. When we do we are very suseptible to the enemy's cunning ways. Just look sometime for the words sleep/slumber/alert, etc in a concordance. It really is an eye opener.

One thing I did notice while in these groups/cults? Many don't even crack the book open but instead believe all that the leaders tell them. They do not investigate and search out God's word, and I mean study it. If they did, they would see some problems. One thing I also found is that people don't want the truth (for the most part) they want their group. Jesus said those that are not willing to leave father and mother (their traditions) for my sake are not worthy of me. He knew.

Peter mentioned all this in his teaching of non Christian cults in 2 Peter 2:1-3.

Quickly....5 Characteristics to look out for.

1. They may consider Jesus as not equal to God but something less.

2. They may typically reject the clear biblical revelation of a triune God, one God not three.

3. They may have their own "sacred" book in addition to the Bible and although they usually deny it, these books conflict with and are given precedence over the bible.

4. They typically reject the biblical truth that salvation is a free gift from God by grace alone thru faith.

5. Cults are often exclusive centering around a strong leader or late founder who has the only true interpretation of Scripture. My family has been frozen out before because we showed them a truth that contradicted a teaching of a church leader/doctrine.

Thousands of these non christian cults exist and I was involved in quite a few. Funny when you really start looking at them they are all really the same just with a different twist.
on Jun 14, 2006
Quickly....5 Characteristics to look out for.


You pretty much just did the same thing as the author's foster parents, without actually naming the LDS church; you called them a cult.
on Jun 14, 2006
Also, those parts of the bible don't spell out any of those things you listed. You must have just made them up.
on Jun 15, 2006
Also, those parts of the bible don't spell out any of those things you listed. You must have just made them up.


nope, they're in there. Check it out yourself.
on Jun 15, 2006
I always laugh when people are so quick to throw the label "Cult" on another group. It's like the whole Club vs. Gang thing.. "club" implied good, but "gang" is bad.. even if neither word actually says a thing about the members.

Like KFC points out, there once was a little known cult around the Jerusalem area, one that most Christians today would bristle at the label "cult" yet it would pretty much fit their description of what a "cult" may be.

I do respect KFCs opinion where God is concerned, even if we disagree on a lot of things. However, KFC's "5 things to look for" is merely saying the she believes anyone who follows Christianity but doesn't accept the the Nicene Creed. That is ok, like I said, I respect her opinion, but rejecting the teachings of the council of Nicea isn't rejecting Christ.

Gideon, I respect your opinions too. I ache at the thought of you leaving the LDS church (as I always do when I hear of someone leaving) but you have your reasons. You not only stand up for what you believe, but you truly stand up for others' beliefs too. I can't help but respect that about you.

There are people who are critical of the LDS Church Child Welfare programs. What happened to you is one of the major reasons they were set up. They offer a chance for LDS Members to take in LDS Foster kids and even do adoptions. That way the kids can find support for their beliefs instead of what you went through.

As parents, we don't make choices for ourselves. Every choice we make in our lives affects our kids and future posterity. You have lived through what happens when the choices parents' make affect their children adversely. Just think of how many generations are effected by those foster parents and how they treated you?

May our Heavenly Father bless you and your family.
on Jun 15, 2006
KFC,

A big part of my problem is with the label. You can say the exact same thing about these groups without applying the label "cult". You can educate yourself about their doctrine (early in my walk with Christ, I was involved with several groups attempting to "evangelize" people within the LDS church, but as I began to discover more about these organizations, I found out that the vast majority of their assertions about the teachings and doctrine of the church were hypoerbolic, if not outright lies), and you can attempt to truly understand who they are as individuals and why they believe as they do. You'll often find out they are far different from your preconceived notions of them.

I have another "cult" story I'll share on another article to explain why I feel as I do even more.
on Jun 15, 2006
Link

I was going to reply in the comments section, but decided it was an article unto itself.
on Jun 15, 2006
A big part of my problem is with the label.


I understand. That's why I defined what a cult really is. Before Christians were called Christians at Antioch they were called "The Way" Like Ted mentioned also, they would have been considered a "cult" Nobody likes labels especially in a negative sense. I think when most used that term they are refering to a group of people who are following a leader outside of the historic Christian faith.

As far as education goes, I would say I'm pretty well educated as I was a member of their groups. I know what they teach and what they don't believe. Usually it centers around the person of Christ. Who do they say He is? That would by my first question now to any group of people. It would have saved me alot of looking around that's for sure.

I was baptized a Catholic as an infant, also as a 7th Day Adventist at 15 by immersion and have been involved in many other "groups" in between and after. I was not "saved" until I was in my 20's and it wasn't even a group effort. It was a neighbor really sharing Christ with me who opened my eyes.

Really, isn't that what it's all about anyway? One sharing the good news with another?
on Jun 15, 2006
I was not "saved" until I was in my 20's and it wasn't even a group effort. It was a neighbor really sharing Christ with me who opened my eyes.


Saved is a bad word. Everyone is saved. Some chose to jump over the cliff anyway - and do evil. But one that has never been 'saved' may lead as good and holy a life as you or I.
on Jun 15, 2006
I found out that the vast majority of their assertions about the teachings and doctrine of the church were hypoerbolic, if not outright lies), and you can attempt to truly understand who they are as individuals and why they believe as they do. You'll often find out they are far different from your preconceived notions of them.


True Gid, in fact, from my experiences with some of the groups that claim to "just want to Save Mormons" they are every bit the Cult they consider the LDS Church to be. Often quoting their leaders when cornered with actual LDS Doctrine or Bible passages.
on Jun 16, 2006
Saved is a bad word.


It is? Hmmm unsaved sounds worse to me.

Everyone is saved


everyone?
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