The journey from there to here

I want to be fair here. Not all liberals defend Islam. In fact, most that I know do NOT (except in the sense that they defend the rights of all humanity). But for those who do, their defense of Islam is inexplicable, considering their traditional political positions. Let's go over a few "liberal" positions for analysis, shall we?

The environment: Liberals are quick to condemn our dependence on fossil fuels in the west. They are quick to decry our environmental atrocities, while failing to hold Islamic countries accountable for the same.

Equal rights: Women are second class citizens in Islamic countries, and homosexuality is justification for murder in many villages, without  consequence from the national government.

Free Speech: Do I even have to go here?

Freedom of Religion: There is but one God, Allah, and Mohammed is his messenger.

Democracy: virtually nonexistent

Civil Liberties: The Hussein regime in Iraq was a horribly ruthless and oppressive regime. Islamic countries are constantly at the top of Amnesty International's watch lists.

Fair labor standards: Again, Islamic countries come in on the low end.

Now, I will again reiterate that not all liberals defend Islam. But for those who do, I would be interested in knowing precisely WHY you do. The United States is far from perfect, but we have made TREMENDOUS strides in ensuring liberty and opportunity for all of our citizens, while working to preserve and better our environment. Why do you not hold Islam to the same standard?


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on Feb 08, 2006

Feminist support Clinton.  Blacks support Byrd. Liberals support Islam.

See a pattern? How about: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.  And people still wonder how Hitler came to power.

on Feb 08, 2006
they do not hold Islam to the same standard as America because it does not suit there sick and twisted agenda. simple huh?
on Feb 09, 2006
Liberals seem to embrace anything and everything that despises America. It really seems as if they hate our nation at times, and I wish the ones who are filled with such self loathing would just find another place to live, frankly.


Exaclty. Just look at how they embrace someone like Chavez.
on Feb 09, 2006
I agree with you LW.....we have a local yokel here that for quite a while was very verbose in his letters to the editor on all the bad things about America. He was a liberal's liberal if you ask me. So I publicly using the same format offered to pay for a one way ticket to any communist country of his choice.

Funny......he never took me up on the offer....but we did enjoy his absense for a while.
on Feb 09, 2006
I agree with LW as well, but I also believe that they just like to contradict Reps. Anything Republicans believe in they believe in the opposite just to spite them. So it's mostly what LW said, about 85% and 15% what I said. JMO.
on Feb 09, 2006
LW, maybe the problem is we should be FORCING people to leave.
on Feb 09, 2006
Est-ce que vous pensez vraiment que Saddam Houssein avait besoin de l'Islam pour instaurer sa dictature ??? Je pense que c'est voir les coses par le bout de la lorgnette...

Island Dog...
Je n'arrive pas à saisir cette "appréhension subliminale" à propos de Chavez, sinon de faire de l'association d'idées à la noix...
on Feb 09, 2006
Est-ce que vous pensez vraiment que Saddam Houssein avait besoin de l'Islam pour instaurer sa dictature ??? Je pense que c'est voir les choses par le bout de la lorgnette...

Island Dog...
Je n'arrive pas à saisir cette "appréhension subliminale" à propos de Chavez, sinon de faire de l'association d'idées à la noix...
on Feb 09, 2006
mar'ouki: Chavez has a history of suspending democracy and making it illegal to "disrespect" him. Granted, it is far more Bolivar than Mohammed, but tyrrany is still tyrrany. The point was that Liberals can tolerate tyrants just as easily as anyone else, and therefore tend to tyrrany as much as anyone else.
on Feb 09, 2006
Je pense que quelqu'un qui a mis les ressources du pétrole vénézulien au service du bien-être de son peuple ne mérite pas d'être étiqueté de tyran... Chavez dérange autant plus que tout l'Amérique du Sud bascule ( Lula, Morales...) dans une vision qui ne colle pas avec le diktat américain...Je vous rapelle que ces 3 dernières années, six pays ont voté dans le même sens. Un vrai bouleversement politique !!! Chavez n'en est pas l'exception tyrannique. Au contraire, c'est le représentant le plus en vue de ce mouvement populaire sud-américain...
on Feb 09, 2006
They never hold Communistic governments accountable, either. Same pattern, different subject.

I think the true liberal supports and apologizes for Islamics simply because Islam is not Christianity. We all know what an evil and imposing force Christ has been in world history, don't we?
Mohammad, with his "kill'em all if they won't convert" philosophy is infinitely preferable to Jesus with his "kick the dust off your shoes and move on".

There's one blogger on here in particular, who always comes to the defense of Muslims and their actions whenever they're questioned. He always finds a way to speak up for the little guy.
Cool sentiment, but not when the little guy in question wants to see you dead.
on Feb 09, 2006
mar'ouki: on that we will have to agree to disagree. I would just urge you to look at the anti-democratic actions of the man, and realize that the mandate from his people is not at all certain. He imports "intelligence" experts from Cuba to train his people to keep the peace. Each election grows more dubious, and we will see if he doesn't eventually do away with elections altogether. He most certainly overturns other elections in his country on a whim.

We will see, but in my opinion he is another Castro in training.
on Feb 09, 2006
I do NOT defend Islam. How could I or any other liberal minded person for that matter, defend such a extreme right wing religious fundamentalist movement. If extreme right wing fundamentalist christians were trying to force their belief system on me or the masses and threatening violence if I/we did not comply, guess what. My back would be way up. And I'd be wading in swinging. So when exteme right wing fundamentalist muslims try and do the same thing I get just adamant that they won't succeed.

Wise up the rest of you liberals.
on Feb 09, 2006
I don't know if this was aimed at me - I assume it was in some ways, as by JU standards I'm fairly liberal and I have defended some Muslims - but I think there are some Muslims worth defending. Indonesian and Malaysian Muslims have made great strides in all the key liberal areas, and there seems to be a genuine desire amongst the young Muslims of those nations to further improve on human rights and the environment. It pains me to see them lumped in with dictatorships like Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Brunei, Pakistan etc.

To my mind many of the indefensible stances of traditional Middle Eastern Islam stem from the forms of their governance. It's very difficult for the people to have a say in a dictatorship, as generally only violence will persuade the leaders to change their minds. And so Islam in the region is predominately violent. South America, a staunchly Catholic area, is/was much the same. It's not an excuse, but I hope it can be seen as something of a reason behind the violence.

When the dictatorships go I forsee a corresponding decline in violence.
on Feb 09, 2006
I do NOT defend Islam. How could I or any other liberal minded person for that matter, defend such a extreme right wing religious fundamentalist movement. If extreme right wing fundamentalist christians were trying to force their belief system on me or the masses and threatening violence if I/we did not comply, guess what. My back would be way up. And I'd be wading in swinging. So when exteme right wing fundamentalist muslims try and do the same thing I get just adamant that they won't succeed.

Wise up the rest of you liberals.


I find that funny and sad. Right wing, and liberal. yet it is the right wing that is defying them, and the liberal trying to excuse them.

So much for labels.
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